is this list for ogs users?

Thank you Lars for starting the group. I am sure it will be useful but
what are the intended topics?

   > I've created a mailing list for the ogs development team for
  > discussions on the new version as proposed by Norihiro and Myles.

I don't know what Norihiro had in mind but what I was thinking of was an
ogs-users mailing list for people to ask about user-level things and
other general help as well as for discussing development.

As an example, when I first started working with Geosys, two and a half
years ago, my first question was: How do I make a mesh? Last week
another potential user emailed me and asked the same question. I told
him how I make a mesh, but then realised that:

- the way I make a mesh may not be the best way to do it

- I didn't know who the best person to ask about this would be

- if there was a searchable mailing list this question would only need
   to be asked once and the burden of answering such questions would be
   spread amongst all of the subscribers

Working outside of UFZ and on my own this kind of information is hard to
come by. So, I suppose I would like to suggest that this group should
encourage well formed questions from users and aim to provide friendly
answers, as well as being used to discuss ogs6 development.

Myles

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On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:08:33 +0000, Lars said:

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Dear Myles,
thank you for your comment.

Yes: ogs^6 raised a fundamental (and controverse) discussion about: user-friendly and/or/vs developer-friendly. I personally would prefer both the second together with educated users, but I am just a piece of ogs^6. I think usability must be part of the community effort, we can not afford a hot-line service (paid by UFZ).

Question: How do I make a mesh?
Answer: Take GINA_OGS (thanks to Herbert) or take GOCAD, PETREL, FEFLOW ... and import to OGS (thanks to the new OGS people (the first floor), thanks to the new OGS people the software standard has been increased amazingly!)

Yes: We have to care a lot about OGS usability as a community, and we did some first steps, OGS training courses, OGS manuals, OGS data explorer, Springer Benchmark Book, ...

Regards
Olaf

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Am 31.05.2011 22:57, schrieb Myles English:

Thank you Lars for starting the group. I am sure it will be useful but
what are the intended topics?

On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:08:33 +0000, Lars said:

    > I've created a mailing list for the ogs development team for
   > discussions on the new version as proposed by Norihiro and Myles.

I don't know what Norihiro had in mind but what I was thinking of was an
ogs-users mailing list for people to ask about user-level things and
other general help as well as for discussing development.

As an example, when I first started working with Geosys, two and a half
years ago, my first question was: How do I make a mesh? Last week
another potential user emailed me and asked the same question. I told
him how I make a mesh, but then realised that:

  - the way I make a mesh may not be the best way to do it

  - I didn't know who the best person to ask about this would be

  - if there was a searchable mailing list this question would only need
    to be asked once and the burden of answering such questions would be
    spread amongst all of the subscribers

Working outside of UFZ and on my own this kind of information is hard to
come by. So, I suppose I would like to suggest that this group should
encourage well formed questions from users and aim to provide friendly
answers, as well as being used to discuss ogs6 development.

Myles

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Hi Olaf,

I hope you are well. I haven't be in touch for a long time.

  > Dear Myles, thank you for your comment.

Thanks for you reply. I was really just wondering if I could ask
questions unrelated to ogs^6 development on this list without annoying
people. I think from your reply that it *is* acceptable. However you
raise some other interesting points.

  > Yes: ogs^6 raised a fundamental (and controverse) discussion about:
  > user-friendly and/or/vs developer-friendly.

It would be interesting to see discussions like this on this mailing
list. Once I have read all the stories on the BBC News website I am
always looking for other things to do.

  > I personally would
  > prefer both the second together with educated users, but I am just a
  > piece of ogs^6. I think usability must be part of the community
  > effort, we can not afford a hot-line service (paid by UFZ).

Yes and, as well as being cheaper, communities that grow around free
software are capable of providing very high standards of support.
Usability can be improved quickly when motivated users submit bug
reports, documentation and feedback. Users are valuable!

  > Question: How do I make a mesh? Answer: Take GINA_OGS (thanks to
  > Herbert) or take GOCAD, PETREL, FEFLOW ... and import to OGS (thanks
  > to the new OGS people (the first floor), thanks to the new OGS
  > people the software standard has been increased amazingly!)

Ah I see. I don't use Windows or have access to any of that expensive
software so I use a general Linux, GMSH and a converter that I wrote.
And a python script because the converter doesn't quite work properly.
I can email them to anyone who wants them.

  > Yes: We have to care a lot about OGS usability as a community, and
  > we did some first steps, OGS training courses, OGS manuals, OGS data
  > explorer, Springer Benchmark Book, ...

..and the Wiki. I wish I had been on a training course when I first
started out. By the way, the manual I have is version 4.5.10(WW) Jan
2008, does anyone else have a more recent one?

Myles

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On Tue, 31 May 2011 23:30:00 +0200, Olaf Kolditz said:

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Hi there,

I just wanted to note that can create meshes from the OGS-GUI if you have GMSH installed.
Just go to "Tools"->"Mesh Generation..."

Also -- and more importantly -- we have documentation concerning OGS. It might not be perfect and is definitely a work in progress but it is still worth looking at:

The OGS Data Explorer Manual (which among other things answers how to create meshes) is at
https://svn.ufz.de/ogs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/DataExplorer-Manual.pdf?format=raw

The OGS Developer Guide (which is concerning with libraries, installation, etc.) is located at
https://svn.ufz.de/ogs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/ogs_guide.pdf?format=raw

Both are linked under "Starting Points" in the Wiki.

There is also a code documentation (which is obviously more suited for developers) at
https://svn.ufz.de/hudson/job/Documentation/doxygen/annotated.html

Best,
Karsten

Myles English schrieb:

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  > Question: How do I make a mesh? Answer: Take GINA_OGS (thanks to
  > Herbert) or take GOCAD, PETREL, FEFLOW ... and import to OGS (thanks
  > to the new OGS people (the first floor), thanks to the new OGS
  > people the software standard has been increased amazingly!)

Ah I see. I don't use Windows or have access to any of that expensive
software so I use a general Linux, GMSH and a converter that I wrote.
And a python script because the converter doesn't quite work properly.
I can email them to anyone who wants them.

  > Yes: We have to care a lot about OGS usability as a community, and
  > we did some first steps, OGS training courses, OGS manuals, OGS data
  > explorer, Springer Benchmark Book, ...

..and the Wiki. I wish I had been on a training course when I first
started out. By the way, the manual I have is version 4.5.10(WW) Jan
2008, does anyone else have a more recent one?

Myles

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Thank you Lars for starting the group. I am sure it will be useful but
what are the intended topics?

I don’t know what Norihiro had in mind but what I was thinking of was an
ogs-users mailing list for people to ask about user-level things and
other general help as well as for discussing development.

I think because at the moment we are not a community that big that we need two separate mailing lists so I would advice to use this list both for developer questions / discussions as well as for user-level things.

So feel free to start topics on any subject regarding ogs!

Karsten,

  > Hi there, I just wanted to note that can create meshes from the
  > OGS-GUI if you have GMSH installed. Just go to "Tools"->"Mesh
  > Generation..."

Thanks, I will try the GUI again. I first tried it a long time ago and
it crashed so didn't try it again, but it must be much better now.

  > Also -- and more importantly -- we have documentation concerning
  > OGS. It might not be perfect and is definitely a work in progress
  > but it is still worth looking at:

I think it is good overall now.

  > The OGS Data Explorer Manual (which among other things answers how
  > to create meshes) is at
  > https://svn.ufz.de/ogs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/DataExplorer-Manual.pdf?format=raw

  > The OGS Developer Guide (which is concerning with libraries,
  > installation, etc.) is located at
  > https://svn.ufz.de/ogs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/ogs_guide.pdf?format=raw

This doc is useful and I use to it often. A benefit of using Linux is
that the package manager downloads, installs and updates all those
3rd party libraries for me.

  > Both are linked under "Starting Points" in the Wiki.

  > There is also a code documentation (which is obviously more suited
  > for developers) at
  > https://svn.ufz.de/hudson/job/Documentation/doxygen/annotated.html

Thanks, I have been looking for that code documentation. It is missing
the php search box though so I'll probably still compile a local copy myself.

May be it would be better to have a section called 'Documentation' on
the wiki because at the moment it is scattered through 'Starting Points'
'Tutorials' and 'Tips and Hints'.

  > Best, Karsten

Myles

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On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:44:14 +0200, Karsten Rink said:

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If you encounter a crash or a problem, please give us (Lars, Karsten or
Tom) a short message or even better submit a bug in the wiki [0].

Tom

[0] https://svn.ufz.de/ogs/newticket

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On 01.06.2011 13:49, Myles English wrote:

Thanks, I will try the GUI again. I first tried it a long time ago and
it crashed so didn't try it again, but it must be much better now.

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Dear Staff,

I hope you are well, and thanks for creating this group.

I have problem with creating the surfaces in GINA_OGS, I do not know why the surfaces do not appears on the screen to link the points? however, the surfaces have been created and they are existed in the surfaces list?

please would anybody help me? I appreciate any help and notes.

kind regards,

Maleaha Samin

PhD Student

Modelling HDR Geothermal Reservoir

School of Civil Engineering/ Geotechnical Department

University of Birmingham

Birmigham

West Midland

United Kingdom

mys172@bham.ac.uk

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On Tuesday, 31 May 2011 21:57:41 UTC+1, Myles English wrote:

Thank you Lars for starting the group. I am sure it will be useful but
what are the intended topics?

On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:08:33 +0000, Lars said:

I’ve created a mailing list for the ogs development team for
discussions on the new version as proposed by Norihiro and Myles.

I don’t know what Norihiro had in mind but what I was thinking of was an
ogs-users mailing list for people to ask about user-level things and
other general help as well as for discussing development.

As an example, when I first started working with Geosys, two and a half
years ago, my first question was: How do I make a mesh? Last week
another potential user emailed me and asked the same question. I told
him how I make a mesh, but then realised that:

  • the way I make a mesh may not be the best way to do it
  • I didn’t know who the best person to ask about this would be
  • if there was a searchable mailing list this question would only need
    to be asked once and the burden of answering such questions would be
    spread amongst all of the subscribers

Working outside of UFZ and on my own this kind of information is hard to
come by. So, I suppose I would like to suggest that this group should
encourage well formed questions from users and aim to provide friendly
answers, as well as being used to discuss ogs6 development.

Myles


The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Dear Maleaha,

in order to find the problem it would be helpful to have the gli file and the tin files. Can you provide a download link to your example files?

Best regards,
tom

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On 2015-04-16 23:31, maleaha yasin wrote:

I have problem with creating the surfaces in GINA_OGS, I do not know why
the surfaces do not appears on the screen to link the points? however, the
surfaces have been created and they are existed in the surfaces list?

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